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Hey all, am new to to all of this but thought thought would post and see how I get on. So it's a pretty long story but here goes, I started chatting to my new man in September 2019, instantly there was a connection between us both, he was married, not together but not divorced or anything. Nothing physical happened between us for a long time it was just simply chatting and getting to know each other but we both fell head over heels in love. His home hadnt been a happy one a long time before he left.

He still supported with the house/bills and children etc. We agreed we had to take it slow so it wasn't a leave her and jump straight into another relationship kind of situation. However we were together, but he asked me to keep us a complete secret because he didn't want his ex wife to find out, I accepted this and trusted him when he said it wouldn't be for long just while he sorted out his contact with his children. Time went on, while being in a relationship with me, staying at my house etc, he was still spending a lot of time with her, he would cancel seeing me because she needed him, she would phone and text the whole time while he was at mine with me (he would be replying) he would leave me earlier than planned because she had asked to see him.
  She said she wanted to "try" and mend the marriage so he agreed however told me it was just for show so she wouldn't think he had just given up straight away as if she thought that was the case she would make it difficult for him to see his children. He said he had to do things right so she didn't stop him seeing the children (which I understood as have children myself) however it became that he would go round hers of an evening for a take away and a film to "show" he was trying with her. Would send me a text beforehand saying he wouldn't be able to speak to me for the evening due to being round hers. He paid her rent, bills, food shopping, credit card for 11 months after leaving, spent the week of Christmas with her, staying her families house for days etc. Not speaking to me because he was with her.
  All while I am being told I had to remain a secret and couldn't tell anyone of our relationship, later finding out he had told a few people about me just people that wouldn't be able to tell his ex. This went on for quite a few months. She would request him, her and their 2 children spent lots of time together as a family even though they weren't together, she asked if he wanted to go to the theatre with her on a few occasions, she would message all of the time, he would drop the children home to her and she would ask him in to "discuss" moving forward, this discussion was requested all of the time, most weekends and he would go in her house and do this. Again this went on for a few months.
  The first lockdown then happened so he was off work, he would spend week days and 4 nights with me then go back to his mums (who lives right behind his ex) so he could have his children for the weekend. His ex asked where he was during the week and he told her he was staying with someone from work. Baring in mind by this time my children knew about me and him, my family and friends now knew due to my requesting but his ex, his family and his children were not to know about me.
  I couldn't cope with it being like this so told him I would like them to start knowing the truth, this was argued about and delayed for a while then eventually the ex wife was told as he collected the children from her and she asked what work friend he was staying with and he blurted out about me, she went mad. The children were still not allowed to know, this went on for another few months and I said I would like them to know because I was struggling with the fact that everyone on my side was allowed to know about him but the important people on his side couldn't know.
  He would talk to me and my children about his children all of the time, but he would leave the room if they phoned him during the week just incase someone made a noise and they asked where he was. My children started to question why this was and why them and mummy couldn't meet his children like he had met mine etc. So again a while later the children were told, the ex wife went mad again over this, calling him late at night telling him he was a bad father for being with somebody else and it would mess the children up if they met me, but a couple of weeks after this, I met the children, all was great, I loved them, they loved me and things have been lovely with that ever since.
 
  My partner now lives with me, his children have a bedroom at mine and stay with us at weekends. However the ex still causes grief regularly, pretty much weekly and it lasts for days at a time, her family have contacted me to tell me what they think and I get referred to as "paramour". She is is somebody else now I must add. The ex wife got hold of my email address and sends horrid emails to me, she sends my partner emails claiming I have "low self esteem" and I make him hate her, she has emailed before saying she has found out own am very money oriented which is one thing I am defintly not, she accuses all sorts. She filed for divorce when she found out about me (nothing had been done before this), he amended it for her reasoning and she then refused to sign for months.
  Without me pushing him, things don't move forward. He has lied to me quite a few times over the year to do with her or in fact his mum because he says he doesn't want me to feel upset so tries to save the upset. The lies he has told are very "good" and the stories he has made up to do with it I have completely believed and believed it for months until something gets said or a slip up happens and I've put 2 and 2 together and realised. Which makes me feel incredibly stupid and manipulated. I do believe he loves me, things are better now with him, he doesn't do things for her like he used to, he doesn't drop me to support her, he has nothing to do with her now and is genuinely annoyed if she contacts. What my issue is I am really struggling with the past and letting go, I struggle so much with the fact he used to just drop me for her whej they weren't actually even together and hadn't been for a while, when i waited months in silence and hid myself for him, I was a massive secret for so long and I struggle to understand why as he wasn't even with her. I struggle with believing that it was all for "show" and did something else happen because in my eyes if you were trying to "show" someone you were trying to mend your marriage then surely you would do couple things and be touchy feely etc. Although he assures me nothing like this happened. He would go and spend days at hers "for the children" and not speak to me all day because of this, and this was when we had confirmed we were in a relationship and my children/family knew, so was so hard to then have to pretend I didn't exist because he was "busy" .

I struggle to understand why he would spend time alone with her if it was for the children's sake that he was "trying". Watching films, having taken aways, leaving mine early to go and help her with her work. I saw her message him once saying how important "love and marriage" are, we were sat together on my sofa and she sent that. I can't seem to deal with how bad things were and how I was made to feel. I do want to be with him though, does anyone have any advice or am i being stupid staying?
I've received a horrid reply on another forum, which is so upsetting as I feel I've done things right, and taken a lot. 

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  • That was a rollercoaster! To be very honest with you, after the first few paragraphs I was mentally prepared to give you the "red flag speak". But it turned out differently than what I expected.
    While I think he should have had ended things with her earlier, I think he wasn't 100% sure yet. I can't blame him to be honest, I think he needed to be absolutely sure that the step he was about to take was the right decision. 
    I do think that - even though maybe well-intended on his side - it wasn't fair to his ex wife, that he already settled into the new relationship without ending things with her. Also it wasn't fair to you, at all.
    In all honesty, and giving the fact that you both are about to start a patchwork family, I would recommend a couple's therapy where you both can talk about your feelings - especially you - with a neutral third party. So you can adress everything that happened, talk about how hurt you were and also all possible trust issues that caused.

    All the best to you! 
  • Firstly I would just like to thank you for your helpful reply, I have posted this on a few other forums and had such nasty replies.

    It's nice to discuss with someone that is a third party and receive their advice so maybe therapy would be a good idea? I just worry thag approaching my partner with that, will he think I'm silly? 
    My mind just doesn't stop thinking about the beginning and how it was, but having said that I love him to pieces and can see how happy we are and could be if I could just let go.
    The ex has moved on and with somebody else now so I know there is nothing there feeling wise with her anymore, she has said this herself but my mind won't stop. 
  • I think he sounds like a really claasic cheater to me. He wanted to have his cake and eat it. I'd expect he was telling you what he thought you wanted to hear with no real intention of leaving his wife. That's why his actions don't add up, a decent man who has finished with his marriage would make a clean break from his wife and then begin their next relationship. Not have the relationship in secret whilst pretending he's still in the marriage.

    Unfortunately you had an affair with a married man, I don't think you set out to do it but that is the truth of it. Initially an emotional affair and then eventually a full on affair until the point where he was honest with his wife and by the sounds of it she then kicked him out and started divorce proceedings, he didn't actually make a decision to leave. Also on the divorce papers I'm guessing she cited his affair as the reason and that's what he changed. If that's the case it'd be understandable that she's now refusing to sign. 

    I can also see why she'd be less than friendly towards you although harassing you is not on. If the harassment continues I'd respond once just to let her know that you're keeping a record and if it doesn't stop you'll have to involve the police. Hopefully she'll back off and leave you out of it from then on.

    Overall I can see that you obviously care for him deeply and have been all in with the relationship for a lot longer than he has. But given his previous behaviour I could never trust someone like that. He cheated on his wife and kept you a secret from his family. I just wouldn't be able to see why he wouldn't do that again the next time 'Things aren't good at home'. 

    I feel that you're worth more than this relationship. And although it'd be scary to be single and start again I wouldn't be able to stay with someone like that. But that doesn't mean you're unreasonable for feeling how you feel. 
  • I think he sounds like a really claasic cheater to me. He wanted to have his cake and eat it. I'd expect he was telling you what he thought you wanted to hear with no real intention of leaving his wife. That's why his actions don't add up, a decent man who has finished with his marriage would make a clean break from his wife and then begin their next relationship. Not have the relationship in secret whilst pretending he's still in the marriage.

    Unfortunately you had an affair with a married man, I don't think you set out to do it but that is the truth of it. Initially an emotional affair and then eventually a full on affair until the point where he was honest with his wife and by the sounds of it she then kicked him out and started divorce proceedings, he didn't actually make a decision to leave. Also on the divorce papers I'm guessing she cited his affair as the reason and that's what he changed. If that's the case it'd be understandable that she's now refusing to sign. 

    I can also see why she'd be less than friendly towards you although harassing you is not on. If the harassment continues I'd respond once just to let her know that you're keeping a record and if it doesn't stop you'll have to involve the police. Hopefully she'll back off and leave you out of it from then on.

    Overall I can see that you obviously care for him deeply and have been all in with the relationship for a lot longer than he has. But given his previous behaviour I could never trust someone like that. He cheated on his wife and kept you a secret from his family. I just wouldn't be able to see why he wouldn't do that again the next time 'Things aren't good at home'. 

    I feel that you're worth more than this relationship. And although it'd be scary to be single and start again I wouldn't be able to stay with someone like that. But that doesn't mean you're unreasonable for feeling how you feel. 
    Thank you for replying, it was a really nice, helpful reply. Its been the hardest time, feel silly for asking for advice but felt now was the time before I lose my mind 🙄 
    You guessed right with the divorce papers, he wasn't happy she put down he had had an inappropriate relationship so he wanted it taking off so she refused to sign the new ones, so after few months he decided to just leave it as was and she signed. 
    Many times I've said to him he is just telling me what I want to hear but he insists it isn't that all. His version of the events were he just made stupid choices not even realising what he was doing to me, he felt he was doing the right thing to make it an easy break and easy beginning to our relationship. Which in my opinion has done the complete opposite, sure you would agree?
    Oh absolutely, I wouldn't never expect her to be friendly towards me just to maybe not harass me so much especially as she says she would like to be amicable for the sake of the children involved and she has moved on herself. I feel a bit stuck I guess because I love him but am stuck with my mind constantly going back to the past if that makes sense? X
  • It definitely makes sense. But from and objective point of view (however obviously only knowing what you've written here). 

    He really does sound like a very classic cheater. I believe he has knowingly lied and played both you and his ex wife. I couldn't trust him based on what you've said and I couldn't see a future with someone like that. I wonder if maybe on some level you feel like that as you say "my mind constantly going back to the past". It sounds like you're trying to make 2+2=4 but you keep getting 5. 

    I wish you well, but I honestly think you're worth more than this person has given you (and I suspect what he'll give you in the future). 💐
  • Does he, my mind is all over the place. Yes I do at times feel like that, because I have doubts in my mind about what really went on when he kept going back to "try".
    Which is tough because I want to believe him.
    Thank you so much I really appreciate chatting 
  • Re: couple's therapy. See what his reaction is. You've got every right to suggest it, and it would be in his best interest to get through that all with you. 
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